Nov 04 19:26:22 Alrighty. I figured out which tertiary colors we don't have as gismu in lojban. They are vermillion(red-orange) Nov 04 19:26:22 , amber(yellow-orange) Nov 04 19:26:22 , chartreuse(yellow-green) Nov 04 19:26:22 , indigo(blue-purple). Now I just need to figure out the names of those colors in the six base languages and make some gismu... *sigh* This is gonnabe a lot of work, I can feel it. Nov 04 19:28:42 Ask Robin, Arnt, and myself (I have a big ego) before you go to the trouble of making new gismu. Nov 04 19:29:07 Cos I can tell you right now that I'm going to tell you "No." and Arnt is very very very likely to tell you "No.". Nov 04 19:29:08 About what, exactly? Do you want me to say why I want to make them? Nov 04 19:29:56 xunynarju isn't good enough? Nov 04 19:29:57 aren't the gismu basically frozen? Nov 04 19:30:16 ^ that Nov 04 19:30:49 najyxunre ... ? Nov 04 19:30:56 pelbla isn't good enough for green? Is my answer-question to your question. And I could have sworn they weren't frozen anymore... Nov 04 19:31:37 It's only four that we need. And I, at least, think it's kinda important... But once again I may be alone in this. Nov 04 19:31:47 They're still frozen, and "green" is there because it's a word in many languages. Nov 04 19:31:55 Especially in the source languages. Nov 04 19:32:05 Red-orange is not in any of them AFAIK. Nov 04 19:32:16 ...whatever you called it. Nov 04 19:32:25 * singpolyma has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) Nov 04 19:32:32 It irritates me that we have five of the tertiaries but not all of them. It seems incomplete. Nov 04 19:32:34 Vermilion. Nov 04 19:32:49 We have RGB CMYK white orange and purple... Nov 04 19:32:53 What the hell more do you want? Nov 04 19:33:27 I want red-orange, yellow-orange, yellow-green, and violet-blue. I want the complete color wheel. Nov 04 19:34:02 I personally think that having something like that be complete, and not just partially there would be a benifit. And it fits lojban imo. Nov 04 19:34:24 Red orange yellow green cyan blue purple magenta white black brown... Nov 04 19:35:03 That's CMYK and RGB + extras. Nov 04 19:35:20 What colour wheel did you learn that has all these subdivisions? Nov 04 19:35:47 Okay, okay. I won't suggest it then. I'll probably just make the gismu and rafsi and then hide them away and never use them and maybe eventually I'll bring it up again and suggest it... Nov 04 19:36:03 What are they again? Nov 04 19:36:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RGV_color_wheel_1908.png Nov 04 19:36:38 That one's even bigger. Nov 04 19:36:39 Something between orange and red... something between yellow and green... something between green and cyan... ? Nov 04 19:37:01 red-orange, yellow-orange, yellow-green, and violet-blue. Nov 04 19:37:17 violet == purple in this case. Nov 04 19:38:22 http://www.colormatters.com/colortheory.html Nov 04 19:38:42 That has the color wheel I originally was referencing. Nov 04 19:38:43 Why not green-cyan, cyan-blue, blue-purple, purple-magenta, magenta-red? Nov 04 19:38:54 You're not including every middle-ground. Nov 04 19:39:30 I'm including tertiary colors. A secondary plus a primary. Nov 04 19:39:33 That's it. Nov 04 19:39:38 I already disagree with your link. Nov 04 19:39:45 Primary colours are NOT red, yellow, and blue. Nov 04 19:39:50 Yes... They are. Nov 04 19:39:57 The primary colours of PIGMENT are CMYK. Nov 04 19:40:02 Ask a printer tech some time. Nov 04 19:40:14 The primary colours of LIGHT are RGB. Nov 04 19:40:30 =D Nov 04 19:40:33 Trust me, I work with both for a living. Nov 04 19:41:00 Yeah. I know. So do I, actually. Nov 04 19:41:06 So you're already biased by a perception of colour as seen by the average american painter. =D Nov 04 19:41:21 So, why not a middle-ground between -every- colour, then? Nov 04 19:41:30 No, see, look. One sec. Nov 04 19:41:32 yes, the secondary colors on that site are incorrect too Nov 04 19:41:50 You did not include green-cyan or cyan-blue for example. Nov 04 19:42:06 Okay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tertiary_color, look there. We can use either one chart or the other. Nov 04 19:43:02 cyan is already blue added to green. with slightly more blue. Nov 04 19:43:21 ? Nov 04 19:43:25 No. Nov 04 19:43:33 Cyan is between green and blue. =D Nov 04 19:43:39 So says your chart right here. Nov 04 19:43:42 No, that would be aquamarine :) Nov 04 19:44:08 No, we're adults here. Nov 04 19:44:15 We don't use RYB. Nov 04 19:44:21 That's for fingerpainters. Nov 04 19:44:22 * mention has quit (Quit: leaving) Nov 04 19:44:38 So basically every artist before the printer was a fingerpainter? Nov 04 19:44:39 In the real world that uses science like big boys, we use CMYK or RGB. Nov 04 19:44:42 Yes. Nov 04 19:44:45 =___= Nov 04 19:44:53 This is not an -art- language. Nov 04 19:45:00 gb2 ladaan Nov 04 19:45:04 Ew. Nov 04 19:45:49 So if you want to argue something, argue that we include orange and violet, but not chartreuse green, spring green, azure, or rose. Nov 04 19:46:04 I will absolutely give you that as it has a sound basis in fact. Nov 04 19:46:16 Okay... I'll look at that then. Nov 04 19:46:51 ((However, if anything, it's more of a reason to remove violet and orange than to add more gismu)) Nov 04 19:47:04 * aidalgol has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Nov 04 19:47:29 Except both of those are very highly used. Nov 04 19:47:53 Feel free to bring this up to Robin (he's the official president of "no fuck you") and Arnt (he just likes saying "No, fuck you."). =D Nov 04 19:48:00 >___> Nov 04 19:48:08 I think that you have a case if you want to argue for the middle-ground between the primaries. Nov 04 19:48:09 .u'i Nov 04 19:48:23 *cough*secondaries*cough* Nov 04 19:48:27 :) Nov 04 19:48:37 If orange and violet get one, then chartreuse and rose should get gismu as well. =P Nov 04 19:48:55 And chartreuse and 'spring green' (I hate that word) Nov 04 19:49:08 And Azure. Azure is kickass. Nov 04 19:49:25 Indeed. Nov 04 19:49:58 Arnt is probably going to tell you to go die, and Robin will probably tell you to use zi'evla space instead. Nov 04 19:50:16 I couldn't care which at this point. Nov 04 19:50:27 But they need gismu.... At least I think they do. It needs to be fair to the whole color range. It's biased, says I. Nov 04 19:52:20 * stobix (~Volatile@c-2ff970d5.028-102-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #lojban Nov 04 19:52:45 Either way, log this conversation and post it to a new page on the tiki. Link that page to http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues under the "other issues" section. Nov 04 19:52:55 Bring it up to Robin and we'll consider it. Nov 04 19:53:25 Okay... And I made a note of the tertiaries that would be needed in a RGB/CMY color space. Nov 04 19:54:11 Yaaaaaaaaaaay Nov 04 19:54:19 Aha. I figured out why I defaulted to RYB... Nov 04 19:54:37 When you look at a rainbow they say "Red orange yellow green blue purple" :) Nov 04 19:54:39 You're a retarded baby finger-painter? Nov 04 19:54:40 =D Nov 04 19:54:43 Oh, that. Nov 04 19:54:48 Yeah, that's wrong. Nov 04 19:54:57 There's fuck if any orange in a rainbow. Nov 04 19:55:00 So there we go. At least I figured it out. Nov 04 19:55:34 yo Nov 04 19:55:38 It should be "Red yellow green cyan blue purple magenta" xD Nov 04 19:55:39 heh Nov 04 19:55:48 RYGCBM is the rainbow Nov 04 19:56:03 Right, screw the purple. My mistake. Nov 04 19:56:14 The purple is there about as much as orange is. Nov 04 19:56:17 Right. Nov 04 19:56:20 It's a secondary. Nov 04 19:56:52 Or, actually, a tertiary...